Specialized Transition Vs Cervelo P3C

15.2.09
ที่ 21:49

Bicycle companies will often put glossy promotional advertisements on their websites while putting forth their sales pitch. Sometimes, they'll even go ahead and even compare a bicycle model from their line to that of a competitor's.

As an example, I was stumped by the frontal view of these two bikes. It was put on Specialized's website in a tutorial pdf called "The Importance of Aerodynamics In Cycling". The idea was to show how 'skinny' the Transition looked from the front compared to Cervelo's P3C.

Fig 1 : Side by side frontal area comparisons


As you can see, there is no rider on the bikes, and no pedals either (hardly the case in the real world).

Specialized makes a big deal out of Cervelo's cables sticking out in the front end. They also critique its flared out seatstays and commend the tucked-in design on same in their bike. If you put things into perspective, these things are probably going to make negligible differences to your power output at constant speed. 70-80% of the drag is from the cyclist, not even shown in this picture, much less from the bike, and still much lesser friction drag from cables. Unless you're fighting for a mere tenths of second or a couple of feet with a your opponent, cable drag is hardly an issue. Even then, remember top pros back in the days had cables sticking out like the antlers on a deer. They did fine, and even broke plenty of records. Armstrong, Lemond and Valverde are just a few specific names.

Anyway, the real interesting thing happens when you flip the Transition sideways. Like in the following image. This isn't on the promotional pdf.

Fig 2 : Exposed cable in side view of the Transition


If Specialized is so keen on discussing exposed cables, perhaps they should have talked about the segment of ugly cable housing peering into the air from the downtube. But they won't. For all they did with ultranarrow stays, integrated brakes and 1 inch steerers on this bike, you'd think they wouldn't overlook this obvious detail.

Getting back to Fig 1, they compare some fat ugly wheelset on the Cervelo p3C with their aerodynamic Roval hub. If Rovals are so good, why aren't they used on the top of the line Transition, as shown in Fig 2 and in the component listing for the bike on their website? Apparently, Rovals aren't good for the best bike in the time trial lineup and they shamelessly stick with Zipps.

Now lets view the P3C from the side.


Fig 3 : P3C Side View



Compare and contrast this clean look with the bent proportions of Fig 2. Which is better? Since Specialized makes a big deal out of frontal area, perhaps they would know that sloping top tubes actually increase frontal area and is generally a bad profile for aerodynamics. But they won't tell you this either.

Only someone like Bike Sport Michigan will thoughtfully critique this sort of bad aero design.


Fig 4 : Bad design elements for TT aerodynamics


Don't get me wrong. I have no overwhelming affections for Cervelo. But this was just a poor show from Specialized against one of the best time trial designs in the market. Cervelo created a benchmark with the P3C, and I'm sure you'll agree with me.

So here's the bottomline : A company will only highlight some couple of points of a product that are favorable to their proposal. These will generally look good. If they highlight bad points, then whats the point in selling it in the first place, right?

Well, turns out that this is really a limited view for the audience who see it. For customers and interested parties pouring over advertisements and promotional product materials such as these, it pays to do some good critical reading and cross checking information before falling too easily.

As for Specialized, it seems like they should really study some aerodynamics themselves first before writing "tutorials".

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Matheus said...

Nice post, I agree with you. Thanks for your time searching for these pictures and sharing.

Unknown said...

Frontal area is the key point that affects the drag of the bike.

And cable routing can increase bike drag by ~15%...there is a huge difference between the best and the worse.

The P3C is a killer bike, but the science isn't lying -- the Transition is the more aero bike.

Michael said...

Personally I like the Transition more. Not for the silly adverts mind you, when has anyone in marketing understood what they sell? Rather I went for the Transition becuase it looks better. (Yes I am that vain.) Honestly unless your name is Alberto Contidor or Andy Schleck, when the machine costs upwards of $6 or $7K is the difference really discenerable?

The cable routing on the rear brake was done that way to increase the size of the loop that routes the cable, thus extending the life of the brake cable. From the image it looks bad, but in reality its pretty invisable (and in the slipstream of the front wheel anyway).

Still an interesting read, too bad marketing people do not understand the technology. If someone made ads that weren't insulting that would be really nice.